5. 论事论母
15. 论事·论母
5. Kathāvatthumātikā
1人施设论
Puggalakathā
3纯真实、义、随顺、反对
Suddhasaccikaṭṭhaanulomapaccanīkaṃ
2“补特伽罗以真实、义、胜义可得”(《论事》一)?答:是的。问:若真实、义为胜义,则彼补特伽罗以真实、义、胜义可得吗?答:不应这样说。
Puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenāti (kathā. 1), āmantā. Yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenāti? Na hevaṃ vattabbe.
3应知此折伏:若补特伽罗以真实、义、胜义可得,则实应说“若真实、义为胜义,则彼补特伽罗以真实、义、胜义可得”。而汝于此说“应说‘补特伽罗以真实、义、胜义可得’,而不应说‘若真实、义为胜义,则彼补特伽罗以真实、义、胜义可得’”,此是邪见。
Ājānāhi niggahaṃ – hañci puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena, tena vata re vattabbe ‘‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, micchā.
4若不应说“若真实、义为胜义,则彼补特伽罗以真实、义、胜义可得”,则实不应说“补特伽罗以真实、义、胜义可得”。而汝于此说“应说‘补特伽罗以真实、义、胜义可得’,而不应说‘若真实、义为胜义,则彼补特伽罗以真实、义、胜义可得’”,此是邪见。
No ce pana vattabbe ‘‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti, no ca vata re vattabbe ‘‘puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, micchā.
7随顺五法。
Anulomapañcakaṃ.
5“补特伽罗不依真实、义、胜义可得”耶?答:然。问:若真实、义为胜义,则彼补特伽罗不依真实、义、胜义可得耶?答:不应作如是说。
Puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenāti? Āmantā. Yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenāti? Na hevaṃ vattabbe.
6应知此对治之理:若补特伽罗不依真实、义、胜义可得,则实应说“若真实、义为胜义,则彼补特伽罗不依真实、义、胜义可得”。而汝于此中说“应说‘补特伽罗不依真实、义、胜义可得’,而不应说‘若真实、义为胜义,则彼补特伽罗不依真实、义、胜义可得’”,此是邪见。
Ājānāhi paṭikammaṃ – hañci puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena, tena vata re vattabbe ‘‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, micchā.
7若不应说“若真实、义为胜义,则彼补特伽罗不依真实、义、胜义可得”,则实不应说“补特伽罗不依真实、义、胜义可得”。而汝于此中说“应说‘补特伽罗不依真实、义、胜义可得’,而不应说‘若真实、义为胜义,则彼补特伽罗不依真实、义、胜义可得’”,此是邪见。
No ce pana vattabbe ‘‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti, no ca vata re vattabbe ‘‘puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, micchā.
11对治四法。
Paṭikammacatukkaṃ.
8如果你执持:“应当说‘补特伽罗不以真实、义、胜义可得’,而不应当说‘若真实、义为胜义,则彼补特伽罗不以真实、义、胜义可得’”,那么依你此因、此许,如此承认者便应被如此折伏。如今我们折伏你,你已被善加折伏。
Tvaṃ ce pana maññasi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti. Tena tava tattha hetāya paṭiññāya hevaṃ paṭijānantaṃ hevaṃ niggahetabbe, atha taṃ niggaṇhāma, suniggahito ca hosi –
9如果补特伽罗不以真实、义、胜义可得,那么确实应当说:“若真实、义为胜义,则彼补特伽罗不以真实、义、胜义可得。”而你在此却说:“应当说‘补特伽罗不以真实、义、胜义可得’,而不应当说‘若真实、义为胜义,则彼补特伽罗不以真实、义、胜义可得’”,这便是邪见。
Hañci puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena, tena vata re vattabbe ‘‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, micchā.
10如果不应当说“若真实、义为胜义,则彼补特伽罗不以真实、义、胜义可得”,那么确实不应当说“补特伽罗不以真实、义、胜义可得”。而你在此却说:“应当说‘补特伽罗不以真实、义、胜义可得’,而不应当说‘若真实、义为胜义,则彼补特伽罗不以真实、义、胜义可得’”,对你而言,这便是邪见。
No ce pana vattabbe ‘‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti, no ca vata re vattabbe ‘‘puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, idaṃ te micchā.
15折伏四法。
Niggahacatukkaṃ.
11若你在那不善折伏中,仍持这样的见解:“应说‘补特伽罗以真实、胜义可得’,而不应说‘若真实即是胜义,则彼补特伽罗以真实、胜义可得’”,而我们并不依你的理由和承许而这样承认、这样被折伏,你却来折伏我们,我们便成了不善折伏——
Ese ce dunniggahite hevamevaṃ tattha dakkha, ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, no ca mayaṃ tayā tattha hetāya paṭiññāya hevaṃ paṭijānantā hevaṃ niggahetabbā, atha maṃ niggaṇhāsi, dunniggahitā ca homa –
12若补特伽罗以真实、胜义可得,则确实应说“若真实即是胜义,则彼补特伽罗以真实、胜义可得”。而你于此却说“应说‘补特伽罗以真实、胜义可得’,而不应说‘若真实即是胜义,则彼补特伽罗以真实、胜义可得’”,这是邪见。
Hañci puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena, tena vata re vattabbe ‘‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, micchā.
13若不应说“若真实即是胜义,则彼补特伽罗以真实、胜义可得”,则确实不应说“补特伽罗以真实、胜义可得”。而你于此却说“应说‘补特伽罗以真实、胜义可得’,而不应说‘若真实即是胜义,则彼补特伽罗以真实、胜义可得’”,对于你而言这是邪见。
No ce pana vattabbe ‘‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti, no ca vata re vattabbe ‘‘puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti, yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, idaṃ te micchā.
19引导四法。
Upanayanacatukkaṃ.
14不应作如此驳斥。你的驳斥是:若补特伽罗以真实义胜义可得,则你确实应当说“凡是真实义胜义者,由此此补特伽罗以真实义胜义可得”。而你却说“应当立‘补特伽罗以真实义胜义可得’,而不应立‘凡是真实义胜义者,由此此补特伽罗以真实义胜义可得’”,这是邪见。
Na hevaṃ niggahetabbe, tena hi yaṃ niggaṇhāsi – hañci puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena, tena vata re vattabbe ‘‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, micchā.
15然而,若不应说“凡是真实义胜义者,由此此补特伽罗以真实义胜义可得”,那么也不应说“补特伽罗以真实义胜义可得”。你却说:“应当立‘补特伽罗以真实义胜义可得’,而不应立‘凡是真实义胜义者,由此此补特伽罗以真实义胜义可得’”——这是你的错误。因此,你的驳斥是恶驳斥,在善巧的撤回上属于恶作,在善巧的成立上属于善作。
No ce pana vattabbe ‘‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti, no ca vata re vattabbe ‘‘puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti , idaṃ te micchā. Tena hi ye kate niggahe, se niggahe dukkaṭe. Sukate paṭikamme. Sukatā paṭipādanāti.
22结论四法。
Niggamanacatukkaṃ.
23第一驳斥。
Paṭhamo niggaho.
24纯粹真实义遮遣随顺
Suddhasaccikaṭṭhapaccanīkānulomaṃ
16“补特伽罗不以真实义胜义可得吗?”答:“是的。”“凡是真实义胜义者,由此此补特伽罗不以真实义胜义可得吗?”不应这样说。
Puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenāti? Āmantā. Yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenāti? Na hevaṃ vattabbe.
17请理解此驳斥:如果那个人不以真实义、胜义可得,那么你本当说:“那位是真实义、胜义,因此,那个人不以真实义、胜义可得。”你却认为:“应说‘那个人不以真实义、胜义可得’,而不应说‘那位是真实义、胜义,因此那个人不以真实义、胜义可得’”,这是错误的。
Ājānāhi niggahaṃ – hañci puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena, tena vata re vattabbe ‘‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, micchā.
18再者,如果“那位是真实义、胜义,因此那个人不以真实义、胜义可得”不应被说,那么“那个人不以真实义、胜义可得”也不应被说。你却认为:“应说‘那个人不以真实义、胜义可得’,而不应说‘那位是真实义、胜义,因此那个人不以真实义、胜义可得’”,这是错误的。
No ce pana vattabbe ‘‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti, no ca vata re vattabbe ‘‘puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti, yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, micchā.
28遮遣五法。
Paccanīkapañcakaṃ.
19“那个人以真实义、胜义可得吗?”“是的。”“那位是真实义、胜义,因此那个人以真实义、胜义可得吗?”——不应如此说。
Puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenāti? Āmantā. Yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenāti? Na hevaṃ vattabbe.
20请理解这一撤回:如果“那个人”在真实义、胜义上可得,那么你确实应说:“那位是真实义、胜义,由此,那个人在真实义、胜义上可得。”而你对此却说:“应说‘那个人在真实义、胜义上可得’,而不应说‘那位是真实义、胜义,由此,那个人在真实义、胜义上可得’”——这是错误的。
Ājānāhi paṭikammaṃ – hañci puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena, tena vata re vattabbe ‘‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, micchā.
21然而,若不应说“那位是真实义、胜义,由此,那个人在真实义、胜义上可得”,那么也不应说“那个人在真实义、胜义上可得”。你对此却说:“应说‘那个人在真实义、胜义上可得’,而不应说‘那位是真实义、胜义,由此,那个人在真实义、胜义上可得’”——这是错误的。
No ce pana vattabbe ‘‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti, no ca vata re vattabbe ‘‘puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, micchā.
32撤回四法。
Paṭikammacatukkaṃ.
22如果你这样认为:“应说‘那个人在真实义、胜义上可得’,而不应说‘那位是真实义、胜义,由此,那个人在真实义、胜义上可得’。”那么,你在此以这一论题、基于这一承许而作此承许者,便应如此被驳斥,我们便驳斥你,而你已被善驳斥——
Tvaṃ ce pana maññasi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti. Tena tava tattha hetāya paṭiññāya hevaṃ paṭijānantaṃ hevaṃ niggahetabbe, atha taṃ niggaṇhāma, suniggahito ca hosi –
23若补特伽罗于真实义、胜义中可得,那么你确实应作是说:‘彼是真实义、胜义,由此,彼补特伽罗于真实义、胜义中可得。’你对此却说:‘应说“补特伽罗于真实义、胜义中可得”,而不应说“彼是真实义、胜义,由此,彼补特伽罗于真实义、胜义中可得”。’此与理不合。
Hañci puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena, tena vata re vattabbe ‘‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, micchā.
24然而,若不应说‘彼是真实义、胜义,由此,彼补特伽罗于真实义、胜义中可得’,那么,你也确实不应说‘补特伽罗于真实义、胜义中可得’。你对此却说:‘应说“补特伽罗于真实义、胜义中可得”,而不应说“彼是真实义、胜义,由此,彼补特伽罗于真实义、胜义中可得”。’这是你的过失。
No ce pana vattabbe ‘‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti, no ca vata re vattabbe ‘‘puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti, yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, idaṃ te micchā.
36驳斥四法。
Niggahacatukkaṃ.
25若在此错误驳斥中,你如此认为:‘应说“补特伽罗于真实义、胜义中不可得”,而不应说“彼是真实义、胜义,由此,彼补特伽罗于真实义、胜义中不可得”。’然而,我们并不因你依此论题、依此承认而如此承认,便应被如此驳斥。你却来驳斥我——我们是遭到了错误的驳斥。
Ese ce dunniggahite hevamevaṃ tattha dakkha, ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, no ca mayaṃ tayā tattha hetāya paṭiññāya hevaṃ paṭijānantā hevaṃ niggahetabbā, atha maṃ niggaṇhāsi, dunniggahitā ca homa –
26如果人依胜义谛不可得,那么你确实应说:“凡是胜义谛,由此人依胜义谛不可得。”你对此说:“应说‘人依胜义谛不可得’,而不应说‘凡是胜义谛,由此人依胜义谛不可得’”,这是错误的。
Hañci puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena, tena vata re vattabbe ‘‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, micchā.
27然而,若不应说“凡是胜义谛,由此人依胜义谛不可得”,那么也不应说“人依胜义谛不可得”。你对此说:“应说‘人依胜义谛不可得’,而不应说‘凡是胜义谛,由此人依胜义谛不可得’”,这是你的错误。
No ce pana vattabbe ‘‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti, no ca vata re vattabbe ‘‘puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, idaṃ te micchā.
40引摄四法。
Upanayanacatukkaṃ.
28不应如此反驳,因为你所反驳的是——若人依胜义谛不可得,则你确实应说“凡是胜义谛,由此人依胜义谛不可得”。你于此说“应说‘人依胜义谛不可得’,而不可说‘凡是胜义谛,由此人依胜义谛不可得’”,是错误的。
Na hevaṃ niggahetabbe, tena hi yaṃ niggaṇhāsi – hañci puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena, tena vata re vattabbe ‘‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, micchā.
29如果不能说“凡依胜义谛者,人依胜义谛便不可得”,那也就不应当说“人依胜义谛不可得”。你在这点上却主张“应当说‘人依胜义谛不可得’,但不应当说‘凡依胜义谛者,人依胜义谛便不可得’”——这是你的错谬,你由此所作的反驳正是恶作。你应当善加悔过、善加引导。
No ce pana vattabbe ‘‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti, no ca vata re vattabbe ‘‘puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘yo saccikaṭṭho paramattho, tato so puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti , idaṃ te micchā, tena hi ye kate niggahe , se niggahe dukkaṭe. Sukate paṭikamme, sukatā paṭipādanāti.
43结论四则。
Niggamanacatukkaṃ.
44第二破斥。
Dutiyo niggaho.
45处所、真实义、顺、逆
Okāsasaccikaṭṭhaanulomapaccanīkaṃ
30“人依胜义谛可得吗?”——“是的。”——“人在一切处都依胜义谛可得吗?”——“不应这样说。”
Puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenāti? Āmantā. Sabbattha puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenāti? Na hevaṃ vattabbe.
31请认清这一破斥:如果人依胜义谛可得,那么你就应当说“人在一切处都依胜义谛可得”。你在这点上却主张“应当说‘人依胜义谛可得’,但不应当说‘人在一切处都依胜义谛可得’”——这是错误的。
Ājānāhi niggahaṃ – hañci puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena, tena vata re vattabbe ‘‘sabbattha puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘sabbattha puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, micchā.
32若不应说“人在一切处依胜义谛可得”,则也不应说“人依胜义谛可得”。你于此所说“应说‘人依胜义谛可得’,但不应说‘人在一切处依胜义谛可得’”,是错误的……
No ce pana vattabbe ‘‘sabbattha puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti, no ca vata re vattabbe ‘‘puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘sabbattha puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, micchā…pe….
49第三破斥。
Tatiyo niggaho.
50时间、真实义、顺、逆
Kālasaccikaṭṭhaanulomapaccanīkaṃ
33“人依胜义谛可得吗?”“是的。”“人于一切时依胜义谛可得吗?”“不应这样说。”
Puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenāti? Āmantā. Sabbadā puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenāti? Na hevaṃ vattabbe.
34请理解此破斥——若人依胜义谛可得,则应当说“人于一切时依胜义谛可得”。你于此所说“应说‘人依胜义谛可得’,但不应说‘人于一切时依胜义谛可得’”,是错误的。
Ājānāhi niggahaṃ – hañci puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena, tena vata re vattabbe ‘‘sabbadā puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘sabbadā puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti micchā.
35若不应说“人于一切时皆依胜义谛可得”,则亦不应说“人依胜义谛可得”。你于此所说“应说人依胜义谛可得,而不应说人於一切时皆依胜义谛可得”,此说是错误的。
No ce pana vattabbe ‘‘sabbadā puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti, no ca vata re vattabbe ‘‘puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘sabbadā puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, micchā…pe….
54第四破斥。
Catuttho niggaho.
55支分、真实义、顺、逆
Avayavasaccikaṭṭhaanulomapaccanīkaṃ
36“人依胜义谛可得吗?”——“是的。”——“人于一切支分皆依胜义谛可得吗?”——“不应如此说。”
Puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenāti? Āmantā. Sabbesu puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenāti? Na hevaṃ vattabbe.
37当知此破斥:若人依胜义谛可得,则当说“人于一切支分皆依胜义谛可得”。你于此所说“应说人依胜义谛可得,而不应说人於一切支分皆依胜义谛可得”,此说错误。
Ājānāhi niggahaṃ – hañci puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena, tena vata re vattabbe ‘‘sabbesu puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘sabbesu puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti? Micchā.
38若不应说“人于一切处依胜义谛可得”,则不应说“人依胜义谛可得”。你于此所说“应说‘人依胜义谛可得’,但不应说‘人于一切处依胜义谛可得’”,是错误的……
No ce pana vattabbe ‘‘sabbesu puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti, no ca vata re vattabbe ‘‘puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘sabbesu puggalo upalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, micchā…pe….
59第五破斥。
Pañcamo niggaho.
60处所、真实义、逆、顺
Okāsasaccikaṭṭhapaccanīkānulomaṃ
39“人依胜义谛不可得吗?”——“是的。”——“人于一切处依胜义谛不可得吗?”——“不应如此说。”
Puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenāti? Āmantā. Sabbattha puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenāti? Na hevaṃ vattabbe.
40请明辨此破斥:若人依胜义谛不可得,便应说“人于一切处依胜义谛不可得”。你于此所说“应说‘人依胜义谛不可得’,但不应说‘人于一切处依胜义谛不可得’”,是错误的。
Ājānāhi niggahaṃ – hañci puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena, tena vata re vattabbe ‘‘sabbattha puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘sabbattha puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, micchā.
41若不应说“补特伽罗于一切处皆依胜义谛不可得”,则亦不应说“补特伽罗依胜义谛不可得”。你在此处所说:“应说补特伽罗依胜义谛不可得,但不应说补特伽罗于一切处皆依胜义谛不可得”,这是错误的。
No ce pana vattabbe ‘‘sabbattha puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti, no ca vata re vattabbe ‘‘puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘sabbattha puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, micchā…pe….
64第六破斥。
Chaṭṭho niggaho.
65时间、真实义、逆、顺
Kālasaccikaṭṭhapaccanīkānulomaṃ
42“补特伽罗依胜义谛不可得吗?”“是的。”“补特伽罗于一切时皆依胜义谛不可得吗?”“不应如此说。”
Puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenāti? Āmantā. Sabbadā puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenāti? Na hevaṃ vattabbe.
43须知此驳斥:若补特伽罗依胜义谛不可得,则你实应被指称为“补特伽罗于一切时依胜义谛不可得”。你于此所说:“应说补特伽罗依胜义谛不可得,但不应说补特伽罗于一切时依胜义谛不可得”,这是错误的。
Ājānāhi niggahaṃ – hañci puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena, tena vata re vattabbe ‘‘sabbadā puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘sabbadā puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, micchā.
44若不应说“补特伽罗于一切时、于真实义、胜义中不可得”,你实亦不应说“补特伽罗于真实义、胜义中不可得”。你于此所说:“应说‘补特伽罗于真实义、胜义中不可得’,而不应说‘补特伽罗于一切时、于真实义、胜义中不可得’”,这是谬误的。……
No ce pana vattabbe ‘‘sabbadā puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti, no ca vata re vattabbe ‘‘puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘sabbadā puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, micchā…pe….
69第七种驳斥。
Sattamo niggaho.
70关于支分真实义之逆顺式
Avayavasaccikaṭṭhapaccanīkānulomaṃ
45“补特伽罗于真实义、胜义中不可得”吗?“是的。”“于一切处,补特伽罗于真实义、胜义中不可得”吗?“不应如此说。”
Puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenāti? Āmantā. Sabbesu puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenāti? Na hevaṃ vattabbe.
46须知此驳斥:若补特伽罗于真实义、胜义中不可得,你实应说:“于一切处,补特伽罗于真实义、胜义中不可得。”你于此所说:“应说‘补特伽罗于真实义、胜义中不可得’,而不应说‘于一切处,补特伽罗于真实义、胜义中不可得’”,这是谬误的。
Ājānāhi niggahaṃ – hañci puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena, tena vata re vattabbe ‘‘sabbesu puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘sabbesu puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, micchā.
47若不应说“于一切处,补特伽罗于真实义、胜义中不可得”,那么你也不应说“补特伽罗于真实义、胜义中不可得”。你于此所言:“应说‘补特伽罗于真实义、胜义中不可得’,而不应说‘于一切处,补特伽罗于真实义、胜义中不可得’”,此说不成立……
No ce pana vattabbe ‘‘sabbesu puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti, no ca vata re vattabbe ‘‘puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’ti. Yaṃ tattha vadesi ‘‘vattabbe kho ‘puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthena’, no ca vattabbe ‘sabbesu puggalo nupalabbhati saccikaṭṭhaparamatthenā’’’ti, micchā…pe….
74第八种驳斥。
Aṭṭhamo niggaho.
75《论事》论母终了。
Kathāvatthumātikā niṭṭhitā.